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a newly unsealed document shows the agency is looking into several crimes which include the, quote, willful retention of national defense information. that revelation does a couple of things, one, it intensifies the focus on former president trump as the possible or a possible subject of the investigation. trump has claimed a standing order to declassify documents he took from the white house, but in a cnn exclusive, 18 former top trump administration officials tell us they never heard of any such order issued while trump was in office. it also may be key that that law, willful retention of national defense information, it may not matter if the information was classified. we will dig into that more deeply. as the spotlight brightens on trump the doj continues its fight for some secrecy. the department expressed serious concerns that releasing the affidavit behind the search warrant could impede its investigation, also might endanger witnesses. still the judge appears to be moving toward the possibility of

releasing at least a redacted, perhaps a highly redacted version. the judge plans to hear more from the doj before the judge makes that decision. cnn's senior crime and justice reporter katelyn polantz following the latest developments. katelyn, what more might be released? i mean, there is a history of heavily redacting documents, but what's in question here that might come to the public eye? >> really it comes down to one document and it's the document where the justice department said it all, really, and they said that in court even that there is one document with substantive information about this investigation in the court record right now, it is the affidavit backing up that search justifying the need to go in and seize these 33 items out of mar-a-lago last week. the one that the judge approved as he was looking at the search warrant and really did find there was probable cause. so in that, that affidavit yesterday we learned that it is detailed, it is relatively lengthy. those were the words of someone from the justice department and the other thing that's in that

affidavit that they're going to be talking about is that it describes witnesses, what witnesses specifically have told justice department investigators about why they believe that there could be, you know, retained records at mar-a-lago, what might be in those records. and so over the next week what's going to happen is the justice department will propose redactions. they're going to plan what they want to have blacked out on that affidavit, they're going to present it to the judge, the judge will look at it very closely and decide exactly what words may be able to be released to the public, if anything. >> i've read some redacted documents, as i know you have, and sometimes there's more redacted than what you see in the end, but we will see how this process plays out. katelyn polantz, thanks so much. legal questions, there are lots of them. joining me to discuss jennifer rodgers and glen ger tell, he served during both the obama and trump administrations. good to have you both on. jennifer, i want to begin with you. three potential charges that at

least the doj says at this point it's looking under here, espionage act, obstruction, but also the willful retention of national defense information. we were talking about this last hour and it was ellie honing's view that those documents would not need to be classified for them to qualify under that particular statute. willful retention of national defense information, which is under the espionage act. do you agree with that? >> i do. it's a separate statute with separate requirements than the statutes that prohibit retention of classified materials without proper clearance. you know, you have to look at these things, i think, as a floor not a ceiling when prosecutors are charging and also when you're listing statutes for something like this, a search warrant, you want to pick the section that fits your facts but is the least hard to prove. so that's what they've done here. it's harder to prove that he took classified information because then you obviously have to prove that it was classified, it wasn't declassified. you get into a whole rigmarole

about maybe some of that information being disclosed in court which is a bad thing. so this is the easier way to go. doesn't mean they won't charge other things, but this is the smoothest way to get the search warrant so that's what they did. >> glen, as general counsel for the nsa i'm certain that you considered questions of when and how to declassify certain information when it was judged to suit the country's or the administration's interests here. you have trump and allies saying he just said it's all declassified, it was a standing order. you have people who served in his administration saying, that's just not true. given that you've taken part in this kind of thing before, what's required to do so? >> in order to declassify? >> yeah. >> well, a finding has to be made by someone that it's in the public interest to declassify something and most importantly the agencies that are involved in creating the classified information in the first place need to be consulted and asked

if we release this to the public, what kind of damage will result to our national security, and their opinion needs to be taken into account. there's quite an elaborate procedure associated with declassifying something and it's a very specific item by item, word by word determination. >> understood. jennifer, another line from those documents released yesterday that has attracted some attention was the doj's concern that evidence might be destroyed, which was part of the justification for them going in there, doing the search and getting those documents out. is that something the doj would say lightly? >> no, i don't think so. i mean, you're essentially accusing a former president and his aides of being willing to destroy documents. so i don't think they did it lightly, but that is always a concern. you're now disclosing to the world that he is under investigation, that you've had to take the drastic step of going in to retrieve these documents. so, you know, i think it's

warranted, but i think they certainly thought about it before saying that for sure. >> understood. there are so many folks who are commenting publicly on this of late. i do want to ask you, glenn g-e-rg about the broader danger and threat to those involved in the search. the fbi agents have been docksed so others may be able to target them. we had mike pompeo comment on this and make the following distinction. have a listen, i want to get your thoughts. >> one could easily, easily take on the fbi leadership without maligning in any way those folks out there trying to keep our streets safe and keep us safe from crime all across the country. >> the trouble with that argument is that it is already agents involved that are being targeted, but do you think that that answers those broader questions about the dangers that

many have cited, both democrats and republicans, about, you know, making the fbi a target here and making people who work for the fbi, serve for the fbi a target? >> that's completely inappropriate and outrageous to pick on law enforcement who are simply doing their duty. the justice department here had in opposing the full release sort of had a couple of goes in mind. they didn't want to jeopardize the investigation, they didn't want to endanger witnesses, and they didn't want to set a precedent for future releases of information while they're still in an investigation stage. i think they're going to wind up winning two out of three of those because i don't think that we're going to see the names of agents being released, that would be an outrageous endangerment of them. we've already seen as you correctly pointed out some identities released in social media of the agents who were involved. that's completely inappropriate

for law enforcement to be subject to that kind of risk, and also for witnesses, too. so this is a very serious issue. >> jennifer rodgers, mike turner, a republican in the house, also serves on the intelligence committee, he questions why the doj had to search mar-a-lago instead of using the subpoena route, which they had already pursued for some number of months. here is his argument and i want to get your response. >> what i have said and called for is, you know, certainly this must rise to the level of an imminent national security threat that they're trying to secure that they would go into his house. because they had many options, one of which is they could have gone to court and asked the court to enforce the subpoena that was prior issued where they would have demanded that the president, former president, deliver his materials and have the court even working with them determine what's in the materials and what they retain and what he retains. >> subpoenas, they could take a long time. they had pursued subpoenas, trump has fought subpoenas in the past, but given the tens ift

of searching a former president's home, jennifer rodgers, is that a fair argument? >> no, it's not a fair argument because, listen, by saying that there has to be imminent harm to national security he's putting a requirement that doesn't exist on the doj. they went the subpoena route, they went the negotiations route, this is months and months, and so they went in with a search warrant the way that they would with any other private citizen to say otherwise that they should treat him differently says that he's above the law. they did treat him differently in some ways in terms of how they executed, but that's as far as they should go. you can't make up new requirements for the former president when he's suspected of breaking the law. >> and we have had senior -- former senior government officials prosecuted for doing exactly that, taking classified material home. jennifer rodgers, glenn gerstell, good to have you both on. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell has suggested the gop may not be able to flip the senate this november. in an event in kentucky

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this just into cnn, prosecutors have now responded to senator lindsey graham's request to block a ruling requiring him to appear before a special grand jury in georgia next week. in a new court filing the fulton county district attorney's office says graham's testimony is, quote, crucial to its investigation. cnn correspondent nick valencia joins me from outside the fulton county courthouse. nick, tell us what the prosecutor's argument was this morning. >> reporter: jim, they say it's not only crucial but that if he

doesn't show up to testify it could delay their investigation for months. listen to what they had to say as to why they feel he should appear as scheduled next tuesday, this was filed just a moment ago. not simply because senator graham possesses necessary and material information, but also because he is expected to provide information regarding additional sources of relevant information. the district attorney's office here in fulton county went on to say delaying the senator's testimony would not simply postpone his appearance, it would also delay the revelation of an entire category of relevant witnesses or information. they added that it is in the public's interest for republican senator graham to show up here. it was on wednesday that he is asking -- that he asked, rather, a federal judge to issue a stay on a decision to have him appear. earlier this week he had his motion to quash his subpoena denied by a federal judge so he's trying to appeal, trying to get a federal judge to issue a stay until he could file a formal appeal but the district attorney's office saying that he's a crucial part of their investigation.

graham arguing that he is immune from having to testify because of u.s. constitution's speech or debate clause and he says that he was operating in a legislative capacity not a political one when he placed two calls to the georgia secretary of state's office in the wake of the 2020 election. secretary raffensperger, though, had a different interpretation of those calls, he believed that it was political in nature in part at least. he says there was an implication from graham that he would toss out legal ballots. graham denied those allegations and is trying to get his motion -- or subpoena, rather, to appear here in fulton county quashed. jim? >> keep in both raffensperger and graham are republicans. nick valencia, thanks so much. staying in the state of georgia, governor brian kemp is asking a judge to throw out a subpoena requiring him to appear before the grand jury. earlier i spoke with georgia's republican lieutenant governor jeff duncan. >> lieutenant governor, thanks for joining us this morning. >> absolutely. >> now, folks at home might know you testified before the grand jury after limiting the scope of

the questions to keep it away in effect from legislative business and i wonder should kemp testify under similar circumstances in your view? >> well, there's executive privilege, there's legislative privilege and just trying to understand the parameters and guardrails around it and i appreciate judge mcburney clarifying that as he did for my testimony, which i'm certainly not going to talk about here, but it was helpful in clarifying the guardrails around that testimony and i did my public service, testified in front of the grand jury and ready to move on. >> big picture you very publicly criticized and i'm not going to get into your private testimony but publicly criticized attempts by trump and his allies to overturn the results in georgia. do these attempts -- i'm not going to ask you to make a judgment, but do you believe these attempts merit at least a criminal investigation of that activity? >> well, i've been outspoken since the moment donald trump started complaining about georgia's election and then the rest of his cronies that followed suit to try to spread

lies and all of the nuances around the big lie was not helpful and it certainly took a national attention and took us away from two u.s. senate races that we lost. look, if people did something wrong i'm going to let the law carry out the weight of the law, you know, certainly i've been outspoken about rudy giuliani and his willingness to walk into our state capital and spread six hours worth of misinformation in front of our legislature, it wasn't helpful, it wasn't american and it certainly didn't take us in the right direction as a republican party. >> do you believe the da -- and you're aware of this criticism in the state of georgia -- has conducted political activities that compromised her investigation overall? >> well, as i mentioned earlier, and you did also, i am part of that investigation, i've testified in front of the grand jury and so i'm not going to comment on that specific question. >> okay. big picture in georgia, as you know, there are georgia state officials, secretary of state, the governor, who refuse to take

part in the attempts by trump and his allies to overturn the results there and they've been rewarded, right, in the election so far this year, but in other states, you look at in arizona, you have election deniers who are winning. are you concerned in in other swing states that the results could be compromised by having people in positions of power who deny the results of the last election? >> well, the first part i'm concerned about is the quality of the candidates that are being lifted up in some of these states and some of these very, very important races, u.s. senate races, congressional races and other statewide races. just because you want to agree with donald trump and say that the election was rigged is really no reason to have the authority to have a statewide elected position, one, i think it puts us in a weakened position as republicans going against democrats and if that's the only qualified trait of somebody is that they supported donald trump's big lie i don't think that puts us in a great position as we move forward in

other elections, especially 2024. if all we've got a s. a room full of marjorie taylor greene's at the u.s. capitol to represent the republican cause, you know, i'm just one of those republicans who doesn't think it's enough to count on joe biden continuing to mess up. i think we ought to put a plan forward that makes sense and helps 1/2 date gate this country and cast a vision for the greatest country in the world. >> you and i have discussed a number of times on this broadcast the direction of the republican party. after these most recent primaries in which a number of trump-endorsed candidates did win, not all of them but a number did win, do you believe his hold on the republican party is stronger or weaker than it was before the primaries? >> you know, i think the best analogy i've been able to come up with is this is a tug of war, gop 2.0 which is something i'm championing every minute every day is on one side of the rope and donald trump's party is on the other side of the rope. we've already read the last chapter, donald trump is not

going to forever be the most important player in the republican party and certainly we felt gains before the primary process and certainly now he's feeling some campaigns but the weight of reality will be right and gop 2.0 will be the best pathway forward for the republican party and i think, you know, donald trump has transitioned from running the country to running a circus and he's not solving anybody's problems when he gets on tv and creates all these news stories and supports candidates that really have no merit. >> let me ask you this on another topic before we go, the ongoing investigation into the former president's handling of classified documents. just big picture, is this a partisan issue in your view or should all lawmakers regardless of party be held accountable if they don't protect the nation's secrets? >> it should not be a partisan issue, it should be an investigation, if the law was broken it should be fully investigated, you know, and quite honestly this feels a lot like an hr problem. somebody got fired, his name was donald trump and he ended up taking files with him back to his home that he shouldn't have

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44.4% of cancer deaths globally were attributable to preventable risk factors that year. that's more than 4 million deaths total. here are the leading risk factors that we are talking about here, jim, in this study the top three for both men and women combined were smoking, excessive alcohol use and high bmi, that's having a high body mass index. so being overweight or obese. and the study also found that the risk attributable deaths appeared to be on the rise. they went up 20% between the year 2010 and 2019. so this tells us that these risk attributable deaths are becoming more of an issue here and we all have the ability to take better care of ourselves, you know, eat right, exercise, watch how much you drink and not smoke. again, jim, this is really a wake-up call i think for all of us. >> pretty clear direction. shows you exactly what to do,

jacqueline howard, thanks so much. health officials in rockland county just north of new york city are offering free polio vaccination clinics after a young adult who did not have the vaccine suffered leg paralysis after contracting the virus. back in the late 1940s polio outbreaks disabled roughly 35,000 people every year in the u.s., but this is the first confirmed case in this country in nearly a decade. new york health officials say wastewater testing also found evidence of a polio virus capable of causing paralysis. joining us now dr. adam rattner, director of pediatric infectious diseases at nyu langone. tell us why you believe this could be just the tip of the iceberg to see one paralytic case of this. what does it tell you about the broader spread of polio? >> right. so even one case of paralytic polio is a public health emergency and the reason for that is that paralytic polio is

a relatively rare outcome of polio virus infection, even in the setting of an unvaccinated population. about 75% of people who have polio virus infection have no symptoms at all. almost 25% of the rest have only very mild symptoms, and so you're down to less than 1% of people, even unvaccinated people, who come into contact with polio will develop paralysis. it's conceivable that if you see one case of paralytic polio that it's one very unliky person and there is not community spread but much more likely there are hundreds or thousands of people who have been exposed to give us that one case of paralytic polio. >> this had been eradicated in this country. why outbreak may be too strong a word but why are we seeing a spread like this right now? >> that's why this is of concern. this is decades and decades of

work toward polio control globally and, you know, since the polio vaccine was first introduced in the 1950s and then the oral polio vaccine in the early 1960s there's been this push to eliminate polio from the planet, to eradicate it. we are relatively close, but even in places where polio has been under control we are still at risk if we don't continue to vaccinate the population. what we're seeing now is evidence that we are still at risk even though there hasn't been polio in this country for many years. >> we just showed there national vaccination rates 93%, rockland county just north of new york 60%. why? and what's -- what must be done about that? do you need a broader vaccination campaign there? >> yeah, i will do you one better. within rockland county there is a zip code where the polio vaccination rate is 37%.

so first of all it shows you the danger of only looking at broad vaccine rates. we are doing a good job nationally, but if you look in at the state level, the county level and even the neighborhood level there are pockets of undervaccination that are places of danger for children who may come into contact with polio virus and we have to pay attention to that local epidemiology. i think it's not lost on pediatricians and public health officials that the places where we're seeing -- where we saw this case and where we're seeing polio in wastewater has a lot of overlap with where there was a measles outbreak in 2019. again, the fruits of undervaccination and of a very successful anti-vaccine movement. so this is a different disease but it has the same underlying cause. >> of course this sounds familiar, we've been through the question of mandating vaccinations here. given the severity of paralytic

polio from a public health perspective, are mandates necessary, particularly targeting this low vaccination area? >> right. so we have mandates, there are school mandates for polio vaccines and there have been for decades. part of the problem was there were a lot of nonmedical exemptions, so exemptions for reasons other than being medically unable to take the vaccine. new york state did away with those recently, but we're still catching up and there are -- there are still pockets where there is severe undervaccination. so i think -- i think mandates are part of it and mandates demonstrably work, but there's also -- we have a messaging problem. like we knew this was a problem in 2019 with the measles outbreak, we've seen this with covid-19 vaccination. we are not communicating as well as we should be in populations where i think directed messaging is needed. we need to be more john

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association have now suspended deshaun watson for 11 games without pay after a series of sexual misconduct allegations against him. more than two dozen women have accused the cleveland browns quarterback of misconduct. watson must also pay a $5 million fine and undergo behavioral evaluation and treatment. he had this to say after the announcement. >> i'm moving on with my career and my life and i'm stng to stand on my innocence. just because settlements and things like that happen doesn't mean that a person is guilty for anything. i feel like a person has an opportunity to stand on his innocence and prove that and we proved that on the legal side and we just got to continue to push forward as an individual and as a person. >> watson as we said will not be

paid during his absence and can still practice with the team in the pre-season. this morning another story we're following, the actor alec baldwin has spoke ton cnn after new developments in the "rust" movie death investigation. the actor does not believe he will face criminal charges in last year's fatal shooting of cinematographer halyna hutchins despite an fbi report that found the trigger of the gun had to have been pulled, baldwin maintains he never pulled the trigger. he also explains why he feared for his life after comments from former president melas has mor. >> reporter: ten months in and confusion still persists over the sequence of events that led to a deadly shooting on the set of "rust." this week an fbi report concluded this gun could not be fired without the trigger being pulled while the gun was cocked and eventually malfunctioned after internal parts fractured. in his first interview with cnn

alec baldwin denies pulling the trigger. >> i never once said -- never -- that the gun went off in my hand automatically. i always said i pulled the hammer back and i pulled it back as far as i could. i never took a gun and pointed it at somebody and clicked the thing. >> reporter: while waiting for the results of the santa fe county sheriff's office investigation baldwin says he hired his own investigator. >> that private investigator as you probably know did not have a difficult time accessing the staff of the sheriff's department and that person told us, quote, unquote, we've known in the department since january that alec would not be charged with a crime. >> reporter: a sentiment echoed by his attorney. >> do you think that there is a possibility, though, that he could face charges at all? >> it would be a huge miscarriage of justice. >> reporter: but the then president fanned flames against him. >> the former president of the united states said he probably shot her on purpose. to me was really the only time i thought that i needed -- that i

was worried about what was going to happen. because here was trump who instructed people to commit acts of violence and he was pointing the finger at me and saying i was responsible for the death. >> reporter: no one has been charged for the tragedy on set but baldwin said there are two people responsible, armorer hannah gut radio residency reed and assistant director dave halls, through their attorneys they accuse baldwin of defecting blame, but baldwin points to the findings of an occupational safety report. >> hannah reed handed the gun to halls and said don't give it to alec until i get back to the set, i have to do something else and he proceeded to the set and, a, handed me the gun. >> reporter: baldwin said gut residency reed should have known the difference between dummy rounds which make a rattling sound and live ammunition. >> anybody on earth to works in that business can determine that. >> reporter: baldwin raised questions about the supplier of guns and ammunition for the film seth kenney being sued by the

armorer. an fbi report said 150 live rounds were found on set. >> what was the provenance of all the bullets on the set, where did those come from? >> reporter: according to the fbi report as far as i'm aware of bullets were commingled. >> so if that's the case who commingled them? did seth kenney provide her with prop ammunition where he commingled live rounds with blank rounds? >> reporter: questions baldwin says kept him up at night as he replayed the final days of a talented friend and cinematographer. >> she was great at her job and she died, and she died, and that hurts me every day. you know, every day of my life i think about that. it's horrible. >> reporter: so in january hannah gutierrez-reed filed a lawsuit against seth kenney the film's ammunition supplier saying he provided her with a cache of dummy rounds that also included rounds of live

ammunition. in a response from his attorneys they say that that's absolutely not the case, but they did admit that he was the sole supplier of the ammunition for the set of "rust." i also want to tell you that in this wide-ranging nearly two-hour interview that i had yesterday with alec baldwin he also said that the last ten months have been really tough, that it's been hard on his family, he thinks about this every day as you saw he got emotional there at the end, but he also said that it's been hard to find work. that he's been fired from five jobs and that people simply don't want to hire him. he did say that he's leaning on the support of his family, his friends, especially his wife who is expecting their seventh child this fall. >> personally i'm amazed that live rounds were anywhere near a set like that. chloe melas, thanks so much for a fascinating conversation. >> thank you. this weekend cnn takes an in-depth look at the rise of anti-semitism here in america. is this hate being normalized? in this country? that's right after the break. ♪ bout to get down, living it up ♪

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conspiracies about jewish people are some of the oldest on the planet and in 2022 they are still some of the most pervasive around the globe even here in this country. in our new documentary "rising hate: aenti-semitism in america

dana bash takes a look at how these tropes can become dangerous and deadly. here is a preview. >> i thought i heard a click, the click of a gun. i went to the back of the room and that's when he pulled the gun on me. >> and within a few seconds he got up and started yelling, i have a bomb. >> reporter: jeff cohen came to pray and became a hostage. >> my phone was sitting next to me and i quickly dialed 911. >> reporter: people watching the live stream could hear the gunman. [ inaudible ]. >> people need there to be one individual that is holding people hostage inside beth israel congregation. >> reporter: the hostage standoff lasted for nearly 11 hours, while fbi special agent in charge matthew desarno's team negotiated with the gunman. >> he was demanding the release of a convicted al qaeda

terrorist who was housed nearby. >> he believed that coming in here and attacking jews, that the jews controlled everything so they would make it happen. jews controlled the government, jews controlled the banks, jews controlled the media. he truly believed this. >> dana bash joins knee now. dana, we imagine that the world, the country moves beyond this kind of thing and of course it hasn't. i mean, with he see reminders of that every day. why, why has it prevailed for so long here? >> that's the question we tried to get answered during our research and during this -- working on this project for the past many months. there are lots of answers to the question of why as you can imagine. one of them is that these conspiracy theories -- and anti-semitism is in some ways one of the oldest conspiracy theories, most pervasive, has the longest life, and these

conspiracy theories tend to bubble up at times of strife in societies, this has happened across europe and across the middle east for generations and generations. we are in one of those periods right now. combine that with the easy access that recruiters have online, with the fact that our political leaders are in some ways normalizing this kind of discussion, these kinds of tropes, and if not normalizing them, failing to condemn them. that is a very, very important lesson that we learned. we talked to data experts who said that they could see a spike in anti-semitic chatter online and maybe even to the point where it got more violent when the people who have these beliefs, anti-semitic beliefs, saw a leader fail to condemn this. >> sometimes it's not just fail to condemn, i mean, it's

deliberately attempting to take advantage, is it not, of this kind of thing. >> and they are one and the same. and they are one and the same and that's really the key. there is a feeling among these people who are looking for a green light that when they see any inkling of it, each a flickering of a green light, they take advantage of t but the internet is also a very large part of this, jim, because it's so pervasive. >> very quickly, your son jonah, you wrote in a piece on cnn.com about how he wanted to wear a necklace representing his jewish faith. >> one of the things that i learned from experts, even you saw jeff cohen in that piece, he was one of the hostages in colleyville, even victims like him, their response is not to retreat. for centuries a lot of jews understandably retreat add and tried to stay quiet and not rock the boat. the answer in today's anti-semitism is to be loud and proud. he wears his yarmulke, jeff

cohen, and oddly my son who has not thank goodness witnessed anti-semitism sort of innately understood that he wanted to show his jewish identity, asked me at age 10 for a jewish star to wear around his neck and i wasn't sure if i should give one to him sand i said yes and he got what i had to learn while doing this hour. >> it's a national story, a personal story. dana bash, thanks so much. don't miss it, special report this sunday 1k9 p.m. eastern right here on cnn, rising hate. thanks so much to all of you for joining us today, i'm jim sciutto. i hope you have a great weekend. "at this hour" with boris sanchez starts right after a quick break.

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hello everyone, i'm boris sanchez in for kate bolduan. new this morning, a federal judge could force the justice department to share details about the search of former president trump's home. we're going to break down what that means for their case.